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Thread: Tổng Thống Obama vinh danh cô đào phản chiến Jane Fonda là "Phụ Nữ Của Thế Kỷ"

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    Tổng Thống Obama vinh danh cô đào phản chiến Jane Fonda là "Phụ Nữ Của Thế Kỷ"

    Năm 1965 khi quân Mỹ đổ vào Việt Nam thỉ bé Obama mới 4 tuỏi (sinh năm 1961) c̣n đái dầm. Năm 1972 khi Jane Fonda đến Hà Nội trong kế hoạch phản chiến th́ cậu Obama 11 tuổi, c̣n bắt dế và trèo me trèo sấu với đám trẻ cùng lứa tuổi. Cậu có biết chiến tranh hay phản chiến phản chiếc ǵ đâu.



    Jane Fonda tại ổ súng pḥng không của Bắc Việt

    Bây giờ gần đến bầu cử, đám quân sư quạt mo mới bày đăt ra chuyện vinh danh cô đào cởi truồng, và tham gia phong trào phản chiến rất tích cực, là một phụ nữ của thế kỷ, để kiếm phiếu v́ poll rate của chàng xuống thảm hại.

    Nổi giận về chuyện tréo ngoe này, Barbara Walter mới có bài viết như ở dưới. Bài viết dĩ nhiên bằng tiếng Anh, và tôi đả định chuyển ngữ sang tiếng Việt. Tuy nhiên, nghĩ lại th́ thấy không cần thiết, v́ các thành viên và khách trên diễn đàn này chắc chắn tŕnh độ Anh Ngữ không thua ǵ tôi, nếu không muốn nói là c̣n vượt trôị. Ngoài ra, người Pháp đă nói:"Traduire c'est Trahir" (dịch tức là phản bội), nên tôi post nguyên văn.

    Mong các bạn thứ lỗi. Cũng xin nói thêm là phần h́nh ảnh là do tôi tự post lên.

    Vĩnh Phan

    Barbara Walters comments on Jane Fonda
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    Date: Friday, September 16, 2011, 3:05 PM

    Thank you all. Many died in Vietnam for our freedoms. I did not like Jane Fonda then and I don't like her now.

    She can lead her present life the way she wants and perhaps SHE can forget the past, but we DO NOT have to stand by without comment and see her "honored" as a "Woman of the Century."

    (I remember this well)

    For those who served and/or died.. . .

    NEVER FORGIVE A TRAITOR. SHE REALLY WAS A TRAITOR!!

    and now President OBAMA wants to honor her......!!!!

    In Memory of LT. C..Thomsen Wieland who spent 100 days at the Hanoi Hilton [Famous North Vietnam Prison]

    Jane Fonda cùng chồng Ted Turner. Đă ly dị

    IF YOU NEVER FORWARDED ANYTHING IN YOUR LIFE FORWARD THIS SO THAT EVERYONE WILL KNOW!!!!!!

    A TRAITOR IS ABOUT TO BE HONORED. KEEP THIS MOVING ACROSS AMERICA

    This is for all the kids born in the 70's and after who do not remember, and didn't have to bear the burden that our fathers, mothers and older brothers and sisters had to bear.

    Jane Fonda is being honored as one of the '100 Women of the Century..!!!

    BARBARA WALTERS CONTINUES:
    Unfortunately, many have forgotten and still countless others have never known how Ms. Fonda betrayed not only the idea of our country, but specific men who served and sacrificed during the Vietnam War.

    The first part of this is from an F-4E pilot. The pilot's name is Jerry Driscoll, a River Rat. In 1968, the former Commandant of the USAF Survival School was a POW in Hoa Lo Prison the ' Hanoi Hilton.'

    Dragged from a stinking cesspit of a cell, cleaned, fed, and dressed in clean PJ's, he was ordered to describe for a visiting American 'Peace Activist' the 'lenient and humane treatment' he'd received.

    He spat at Ms. Fonda, then was clubbed, and dragged away. During the subsequent beating, he fell forward on to the camp Commandant 's feet, which sent that officer berserk.

    In 1978, the Air Force Colonel still suffered from double vision (which permanently ended his flying career) from the VC Commandant's frenzied application of a wooden baton.

    From 1963-65, Col. Larry Carrigan was in the 47FW/DO (F-4E's). He spent 6 years in the ' Hanoi Hilton',,, the first three of which his family only knew he was 'missing in action'. His wife lived on faith that he was still alive. His group, too, got the cleaned-up, fed and clothed routine in preparation for a 'peace delegation' visit.

    They, however, had time and devised a plan to get word to the world that they were alive and still survived. Each man secreted a tiny piece of paper, with his Social Security Number on it, in the palm of his hand. When paraded before Ms. Fonda and a cameraman, she walked the line, shaking each man's hand and asking little encouraging snippets like:

    'Aren't you sorry you bombed babies?'
    and 'Are you grateful for the humane treatment from your benevolent captors?'

    Believing this HAD to be an act, they each palmed her their sliver of paper. She took them all without missing a beat.. At the end of the line and once the camera stopped rolling, to the shocked disbelief of the POWs, she turned to the VC officer in charge and handed him all the little pieces of paper...

    Three men died from the subsequent beatings. Colonel Carrigan was almost number four but he survived, which is the only reason we know of her actions that day.

    I was a civilian economic development advisor in Vietnam, and was captured by the North Vietnamese communists in South Vietnam in 1968, and held prisoner for over 5 years.

    I spent 27 months in solitary confinement; one year in a cage in Cambodia ; and one year in a 'black box' in Hanoi . My North Vietnamese captors deliberately poisoned and murdered a female missionary, a nurse in a leprosarium in Ban me Thuot , South Vietnam , whom I buried in the jungle near the Cambodian border. At one time, I weighed only about 90 lbs. (My normal weight is 170 lbs)

    We were Jane Fonda's 'war criminals....'

    When Jane Fonda was in Hanoi , I was asked by the camp communist political officer if I would be willing to meet with her. I said yes, for I wanted to tell her about the real treatment we POWs received... and how different it was from the treatment purported by the North Vietnamese, and parroted by her as 'humane and lenient.'

    Because of this, I spent three days on a rocky floor on my knees, with my arms outstretched with a large steel weight placed on my hands, and beaten with a bamboo cane.

    I had the opportunity to meet with Jane Fonda soon after I was released.. I asked her if she would be willing to debate me on TV. She never did answer me.

    These first-hand experiences do not exemplify someone who should be honored as part of '100 Years of Great Women.' Lest we forget....' 100 Years of Great Women' should never include a traitor whose hands are covered with the blood of so many patriots.

    There are few things I have strong visceral reactions to, but Hanoi Jane's participation in blatant treason, is one of them. Please take the time to forward to as many people as you possibly can.. It will eventually end up on her computer and she needs to know that we will never forget.

    RONALD D. SAMPSON, CMSgt,
    USAF 716 Maintenance Squadron,
    Chief of Maintenance DSN: 875-6431 COMM: 883-6343
    PLEASE HELP BY SENDING THIS TO EVERYONE IN YOUR ADDRESS BOOK.
    IF ENOUGH PEOPLE SEE THIS MAYBE HER STATUS WILL CHANGE.

    Sau màn cởi truồng là màn phản chiến


    Hết thời cởi truồng và phản chiến

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    Cũng không có ǵ là lạ ...

    Cám ơn thành viên Vinh Phan đă "post" bài viết này để rộng đường dư luận; tuy nhiên theo tôi, sự vinh danh này cũng không có ǵ là lạ cả; v́: "Ngưu tầm ngưu, mă tầm mă" đă nói sẵn từ thuở xưa đó mà .

    Hăy lần về quá khứ của Tổng thống Obama (theo Fox điểm tin, tôi c̣n nhớ), th́ người thày hướng dẫn của Obama là người thiên về chủ nghĩa cộng sản ...

    Phú Yên

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    Hê hê, thread này sẽ là potentially debatable đây. Nhất là các bức h́nh đen trắng, trông ấn tượng quá.

    Ḿnh không nên tham gia thread này kẻo bị văng miểng oan mạng! :D

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phú Yên View Post
    Cám ơn thành viên Vinh Phan đă "post" bài viết này để rộng đường dư luận; tuy nhiên theo tôi, sự vinh danh này cũng không có ǵ là lạ cả; v́: "Ngưu tầm ngưu, mă tầm mă" đă nói sẵn từ thuở xưa đó mà .

    Hăy lần về quá khứ của Tổng thống Obama (theo Fox điểm tin, tôi c̣n nhớ), th́ người thày hướng dẫn của Obama là người thiên về chủ nghĩa cộng sản ...

    Phú Yên
    Câu này ("Ngưu tầm ngưu, mă tầm mă") có ứng dụng được cho cử tri Mỹ không bác? Họ đă biết mà vẫn cứ bầu. C̣n cái câu tuyên truyền "Obama là người hồi giáo cực đoan" không biết có c̣n hiệu quả không?

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    President Barack Obama will be honoring Jane Fonda as one of the Women of the Century. Is this true?

    Jane Fonda đă nh́n nhận sai lầm và xin lỗi nước Mỹ cũng như những chiến binh Mỹ về những hành vi trong quá khứ khi ủng hộ việt cộng.
    Đọc thêm về Jane Fonda ở đây: http://www.vietlandnews.net/forum/sh...-Ai-kh%C3%B4ng


    C̣n vấn đề TT Obama có vinh danh hay không th́ xin đọc tại đây:

    "Many Times-Union readers want to know:

    An e-mail titled "Never Forgive a Traitor" says that President Barack Obama will be honoring Jane Fonda as one of the Women of the Century. Is this true?
    The claim about Obama in this chain e-mail is false.

    In actuality, Fonda was one of many women featured in a Barbara Walters special for ABC News called "A Celebration: 100 Years of Great Women," according to Factcheck.org, a nonpartisan fact-finding project of the Annenberg Public Policy Center at the University of Pennsylvania. The special, which aired on April 30, 1999, looked at the "most inspiring, intriguing and entertaining" women of the 20th century and was based on a list of the "100 Most Important Women of the 20th Century" selected by a panel for the Ladies Home Journal magazine, FactCheck.org reports.

    Right after the Walters special aired, versions of the chain e-mail started appearing. In the most recent versions, the Obama references have been added. The e-mails also contain inaccuracies about Fonda.

    What is true: The actress/fitness guru/activist did travel to Hanoi, North Vietnam, in 1972 to protest the Vietnam War.

    She broadcast on Radio Hanoi, criticizing American military and political leaders, according to numerous media accounts. She said it was "laughable" that U.S. soldiers were tortured and called them "war criminals." Photographers captured her smiling and applauding North Vietnamese soldiers at an anti-aircraft gun site. She was thereafter known by war veterans and others as "Hanoi Jane."

    Media accounts do report that some American soldiers did suffer as a result of Fonda's visit. But as FactCheck.org and Snopes.com report, specific mentions in the e-mail were debunked years ago by the very people supposedly involved.

    It isn't true, FactCheck.org reports, that former Vietnam POW Jerry Driscoll suffered career-ending double vision from a beating said to be imposed by his North Vietnamese captors after Fonda visited.

    Driscoll has said that he never met Fonda and he has denied for years that the beating scenario ever happened.

    "Totally false. It did not happen," Driscoll told the Star Tribune of Minneapolis in a May 25, 2005 article.

    Driscoll has negative feelings about Fonda, but he wasn't beaten because of her and can see just fine. He flies corporate jets now, after retiring as a pilot from the Air Force and American Airlines, the story said.

    Another inaccuracy is that Fonda gave North Vietnamese guards pieces of paper - some with Social Security numbers - slipped to her from American POWs and that resulted in the beating of former POW Larry Carrigan and the beating deaths of three others.

    Carrigan has been quoted in media reports: "It's a figment of somebody's imagination."

    Mike McGrath, a former POW and director and historian of the Nam-POWs, also disclaimed the story, saying "I have spoken to all the parties named ... They all state that this particular Internet story is a hoax and they wish to disassociate their names from the false story."

    "The whole [e-mail] story about Jane Fonda is just malarkey," said Edison Miller of California, a former Marine Corps pilot held more than five years and one of the seven POWs to meet with Fonda, according to Snopes.com.

    The e-mail is accurate about one element, according to Michael Benge, a former civilian economic development adviser who was captured by the North Vietnamese in 1968, FactCheck.org reports. Although not mentioned by name in the e-mail, he told the Star Tribune that he was the man described as meeting with Fonda to tell her that the treatment by the North Vietnamese was not "humane and lenient" as she had said. Subsequently, Benge said, he "spent three days on a rocky floor on my knees, with my arms outstretched with a large steel weights placed on my hands, and beaten with a bamboo cane."

    After the Barbara Walters special ran, Benge wrote a letter taking ABC and Walters to task for honoring Fonda.

    Fonda has apologized a number of times for the photograph with North Vietnamese soldiers. In 1988, she met with Vietnam veterans in a nationally televised apology in which she said she was "thoughtless and careless," according to Snopes.com, which quotes an Associated Press article. Snopes.com is a well-respected nonpartisan website that confirms or debunks rumors and urban legends.

    She also apologized for the photograph during a 2005 interview on CBS' "60 Minutes" (tinyurl.com/e27sq):

    "I will go to my grave regretting that. ... It was the largest lapse of judgment that I can even imagine. I don't thumb my nose at this country. I care deeply about American soldiers."

    The interview states that Fonda did not apologize for speaking out against the war on Radio Hanoi or for her other anti-war activities, which the North Vietnamese later used as propaganda.

    Almost 40 years after her North Vietnam visit, veterans and other Americans still harbor contempt for Fonda. Some of them note that her apologies only came when she was promoting a film or book project.

    But the bottom line for this chain e-mail: No matter what you might think of Fonda, the president has no plans to celebrate her life".

    ______

    Link: http://jacksonville.com/news/metro/2...ports-malarkey

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    Cô đào này được bôi son trát phấn, cũng có khác ǵ Lê Văn Tám hay Trần Dân Tiên đâu. Từ cái thủa ban đầu của CNXH đă bắt đầu bằng giả dối với nhân vật tưởng tượng Paven ǵ đó trong "thép đă tôi thế đấy" ǵ ǵ đó làm cho đến cả nhiều người phương Tây tin sái cổ. Đến sau 90, người ta mới ngă ngửa ra nó là cái mẫu của Lê Văn Tám.

    Cô này mà không màn kich dựng sẵn, có c̣i hụ, ..., th́ sẽ văi ra khi thấy cuộc sống thực tế của các tù nhân Mỹ, Việt ..., trong nhà tù nhỏ cũng như lớn.

    Xưa kia, chiến tranh c̣n khó khăn mà cổ đă ca ngợi CNXH th́ nay hết rồi đó, CS đă đưa VN đế thiên đường rồi đó, xin mời cô nàng sang VN mà ở. Cô hăy để lại cái chỗ của cô ở bên nước Mỹ hiếu chiến cho một người VN muốn trốn khỏi thành phố hoà b́nh Hà nội ḱa.

    Đúng là cái loại thông minh ǵ đâu.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dean Nguyen View Post
    Jane Fonda đă nh́n nhận sai lầm và xin lỗi nước Mỹ cũng như những chiến binh Mỹ về những hành vi trong quá khứ khi ủng hộ việt cộng.
    Đọc thêm về Jane Fonda ở đây: http://www.vietlandnews.net/forum/sh...-Ai-kh%C3%B4ng


    C̣n vấn đề TT Obama có vinh danh hay không th́ xin đọc tại đây:

    "Many Times-Union readers want to know:

    .....
    Có sao đâu, cứ có công ty rác nói đến là đủ VN ca ngợi lên mây rồi.

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    Jane Fonda là một phụ nữ Tôn Trọng Hoà B́nh Nhân Loại chống Chiền Tranh, chính người dân Việt úc bấy giờ củng đă mệt mơi v́ chết chóc của chiến tranh.
    Đúng vậy, TT Obama làm một việc đúng khi Vinh Danh Cô là 1 Phụ Nữ của Thế Kỹ. Cô và Ted (Tỹ phú) đả đi khắp nơi trên Thế Giới giúp đở nhửng người thiếu may mắn. Ai hơn cô ta ?. Nobody !!!!! Không ai.................. .........

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    Quote Originally Posted by lovevn View Post
    Jane Fonda là một phụ nữ Tôn Trọng Hoà B́nh Nhân Loại chống Chiền Tranh, chính người dân Việt úc bấy giờ củng đă mệt mơi v́ chết chóc của chiến tranh.
    Đúng vậy, TT Obama làm một việc đúng khi Vinh Danh Cô là 1 Phụ Nữ của Thế Kỹ. Cô và Ted (Tỹ phú) đả đi khắp nơi trên Thế Giới giúp đở nhửng người thiếu may mắn. Ai hơn cô ta ?. Nobody !!!!! Không ai.................. .........
    Jane Fonda so sánh với B. Walter khác chỗ nào trong cuộc đời thưc qua tiểu sử của họ

    Một thứ dumb blond Jane so với một lady thông minh Barbara

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    Quote Originally Posted by pheng View Post
    Jane Fonda so sánh với B. Walter khác chỗ nào trong cuộc đời thưc qua tiểu sử của họ

    Một thứ dumb blond Jane so với một lady thông minh Barbara
    Bạn so sánh bậy rồi. Orang với Apple khác nhau nhé. Barbara là một Lady Thông Minh. Jane có ḷng Nhân Hậu.

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